Ferrari Mailing List: Re: ferrari infringement ebay

[jimshadow (jimshadow]

YES you have helped out a lot of people with the manuals and it is more 
appreciated than you will ever know!

Jim
(who may or may not have received one of these manuals...)
:)
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-----Original Message-----
From: "Doug and Terri Anderson" <dnt [at] dock.net>

Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2007 07:19:15 
To:JIM <jimshadow [at] verizon.net>
Cc:The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] ferrari infringement ebay


Good one Rick - I skated unless you count the occasional person who wanted 
the entire manual, in bound condition, for $15.  First of all, the Ferrari 
parts manuals are printed on a very heavy slick A4 paper.  They don't lend 
themselves to self feeding.  Also, each page had to be layed up manually to 
insure getting all data even at a reduced image.  The big Box copy stores 
wouldn't touch copying the manual for all the reasons previously listed and 
then some more.  Oh - well, we helped out a lot of people and that was what 
I was shooting for.  Time marches on.
DOUG

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rick Lindsay" <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>
To: "Doug and Terri Anderson" <dnt [at] dock.net>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 6:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] ferrari infringement ebay


> As has been stated before, "No good deed goes
> unpunished."
>
> rick
>
> --- Doug and Terri Anderson <dnt [at] dock.net> wrote:
>
>> In the 1990's when Terri and I got our 1978 308GTS,
>> I made it a point to
>> find the parts manual and the workshop manual.
>>
>> I eventually collected every parts manual there was
>> from 75 onward - up to
>> the last paper manual - a 5# yellow 4 ring binder
>> for the 2001 360challenge.
>> I still have extras but they are collectors items
>> still in factory plastic.
>> Some 355s and so forth.
>>
>> Alas, the 308gt4 WS manual was cute but no help to
>> me, an occasional week
>> end do it yourselfer.  BUT the parts manual was
>> great.  Very nice drawings
>> of all the parts and where they went.  Grays Anatomy
>> of our car.
>>
>> Then I ran into others 308 owners with my original
>> problem - have the car -
>> don't have a parts book.  So I set off copying just
>> the picture plates - the
>> description of parts was worthless - all in Italian
>> and a "screw" was the
>> same for the thing that held the clock in or bolted
>> the head onto the block.
>>
>> Yes, I was scared to death of the phone call in
>> night from Italian speaking
>> attorneys from New Jersey but was never bothered by
>> one tho many people
>> stated get ready.  Then along came the CD and the
>> paper business was not
>> needed.
>>
>> I don't make them anymore  I still have a box of
>> some copies that I sell for
>> postage only - just to help out the poor soul who
>> has the car and needs to
>> figure out what goes where or order parts.  The CD
>> is great but hard to fold
>> up and take with you.  heh heh
>>
>> Onward,
>> DOUG
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Misc" <misc [at] 308systems.com>
>> To: "DOUG" <dnt [at] dock.net>
>> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 4:13 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] ferrari infringement ebay
>>
>>
>> > Hi Michel,
>> > Unfortunately, Ferrari ownes the copywrite to
>> these manuals and the
>> > earliest
>> > that copywrite will expire is 70yrs from the date
>> of creation.  Thus,
>> > Ferrari has no incentive to support unauthorized
>> distribution of the
>> > manuals.  I doubt a financial arrangement(giving
>> them a cut of sales)
>> > would
>> > be meaningful to them.
>> >
>> > Perhaps you could play to their business side,
>> suggesting that if you make
>> > the manuals available, owners will be more apt to
>> work on their vehicles
>> > and
>> > therefore purchase Ferrari NOS parts - or realize
>> they are in over their
>> > heads and take their Ferrari to a dealer for
>> service(and subsequent parts
>> > purchase).
>> >
>> >
>> > Good luck,
>> >
>> > Mark Lueker
>> > 308 SYSTEMS Inc.
>> > 970-282-7006
>> > www.308systems.com
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Michel Savard [mailto:mysavard [at] dsuper.net]
>> > Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 4:00 PM
>> > To: Mark
>> > Cc: The FerrariList
>> > Subject: [Ferrari] ferrari infringement ebay
>> >
>> >
>> > I've been selling  copies of my parts manual (1981
>> 308 GTSi) for many
>> > years on Ebay. A few months ago, Ebay cancelled my
>> auction. I took the
>> > word "copy" out of the title and the description.
>> I sold them again and
>> > it worked for a few months before Ebay cancelled
>> my auction again saying
>> > that Ferrari doesn't allow this.
>> >
>> > Ebay gave me a Ferrari email address in case I
>> wanted to bring my case
>> > to Ferrari. Now before I do that, I need some help
>> as to what I should
>> > write to Ferrari about that. After all, they don't
>> make new parts manual
>> > for old cars anymore, they don't sell copies
>> neither. So, why do they
>> > bother ?
>> >
>> > Please help me make a strong case to Ferrari.
>> >
>> > Michael Savard (Canada)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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