Ferrari Mailing List: Re: ferrari infringement ebay

[Dave Handa (dave]

Big "Thank you" Doug....though I no longer have my 78 308GTS...those manuals
went on to the next owner...

Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: Doug and Terri Anderson [mailto:dnt [at] dock.net] 
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2007 6:39 AM
To: dave [at] davehanda.com
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] ferrari infringement ebay

In the 1990's when Terri and I got our 1978 308GTS, I made it a point to 
find the parts manual and the workshop manual.

I eventually collected every parts manual there was from 75 onward - up to 
the last paper manual - a 5# yellow 4 ring binder for the 2001 360challenge.

I still have extras but they are collectors items still in factory plastic. 
Some 355s and so forth.

Alas, the 308gt4 WS manual was cute but no help to me, an occasional week 
end do it yourselfer.  BUT the parts manual was great.  Very nice drawings 
of all the parts and where they went.  Grays Anatomy of our car.

Then I ran into others 308 owners with my original problem - have the car - 
don't have a parts book.  So I set off copying just the picture plates - the

description of parts was worthless - all in Italian and a "screw" was the 
same for the thing that held the clock in or bolted the head onto the block.

Yes, I was scared to death of the phone call in night from Italian speaking 
attorneys from New Jersey but was never bothered by one tho many people 
stated get ready.  Then along came the CD and the paper business was not 
needed.

I don't make them anymore  I still have a box of some copies that I sell for

postage only - just to help out the poor soul who has the car and needs to 
figure out what goes where or order parts.  The CD is great but hard to fold

up and take with you.  heh heh

Onward,
DOUG

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Misc" <misc [at] 308systems.com>
To: "DOUG" <dnt [at] dock.net>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 4:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] ferrari infringement ebay


> Hi Michel,
> Unfortunately, Ferrari ownes the copywrite to these manuals and the 
> earliest
> that copywrite will expire is 70yrs from the date of creation.  Thus,
> Ferrari has no incentive to support unauthorized distribution of the
> manuals.  I doubt a financial arrangement(giving them a cut of sales) 
> would
> be meaningful to them.
>
> Perhaps you could play to their business side, suggesting that if you make
> the manuals available, owners will be more apt to work on their vehicles 
> and
> therefore purchase Ferrari NOS parts - or realize they are in over their
> heads and take their Ferrari to a dealer for service(and subsequent parts
> purchase).
>
>
> Good luck,
>
> Mark Lueker
> 308 SYSTEMS Inc.
> 970-282-7006
> www.308systems.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michel Savard [mailto:mysavard [at] dsuper.net]
> Sent: Sunday, June 24, 2007 4:00 PM
> To: Mark
> Cc: The FerrariList
> Subject: [Ferrari] ferrari infringement ebay
>
>
> I've been selling  copies of my parts manual (1981 308 GTSi) for many
> years on Ebay. A few months ago, Ebay cancelled my auction. I took the
> word "copy" out of the title and the description. I sold them again and
> it worked for a few months before Ebay cancelled my auction again saying
> that Ferrari doesn't allow this.
>
> Ebay gave me a Ferrari email address in case I wanted to bring my case
> to Ferrari. Now before I do that, I need some help as to what I should
> write to Ferrari about that. After all, they don't make new parts manual
> for old cars anymore, they don't sell copies neither. So, why do they
> bother ?
>
> Please help me make a strong case to Ferrari.
>
> Michael Savard (Canada)
>
>
>
>
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