Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Barstool Economics (was RE: Are Ferraris Losing Their Good Looks? )

[Rick Lindsay (rolindsay]

Just did this in Conroe, TX.  My son lost his SS card and had to appear in 
person for a replacement.  I don't know which was more depressing, the people 
in the line or the people behind the counter!

rick

--- On Thu, 11/13/08, Steve Jenkins <steve [at] stevejenkins.com> wrote:

> From: Steve Jenkins <steve [at] stevejenkins.com>
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Barstool Economics (was RE: Are Ferraris Losing Their 
> Good Looks? )
> To: "rolindsay" <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>
> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 1:28 PM
> Like I said - just go sit in a Soc Sec Office for an hour.
> It's far from
> scientific, but you will get a vibe.
> 
> My spider sense was tingling.....
> 
> SJ 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian E. Buxton
> [mailto:BrianBuxton [at] BuxtonMotorsports.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:18 PM
> To: Steve Jenkins
> Cc: The FerrariList
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Barstool Economics (was RE: Are
> Ferraris Losing Their
> Good Looks? )
> 
> Well I am sure if the Gov't had actually numbers on how
> many cheaters 
> there were they would most likely have their benefits
> terminated.  
> That's not the kind of info the cheaters willingly
> volunteer.  But I'm 
> sure estimates are all over the net in Gov't reports. 
> Of course I 
> haven't seen you post any hard numbers supporting your
> points either ... 
> Most of my info comes from first hand experience.  I know
> several 
> patients who come to see my father who collect multiple
> welfare checks 
> every month under different names at PO boxes, who have new
> Lincolns and 
> Cadillacs and can go dancing at local bars but are on
> disability.  
> Mothers collecting assistance for 4 or 5 kids they have
> given to their 
> parents to raise.  And I am not referring to 2 or 3 people.
>  It's a 
> rampant problem, and common knowledge to anyone with their
> eyes open.  
> As others have pointed out, do you REALLY believe 2/5
> people in the US 
> are unable to work and deserving of public assistance?
> 
> Brian
> 
> 
> Mike Fleischer wrote:
> 
> > I am pretty open minded on this and really It grates
> my sense of 
> > justice and fair play as much as anyone to think
> someone is taking a 
> > handout and buying more beer for themselves...  But
> where is your data 
> > on this coming from?  So far its all been anecdotal,
> and I honestly 
> > don't know what the percentage is for cheaters vs
> legitimate users of 
> > the system?
> >
> > Brian E. Buxton wrote:
> >
> >> Not all are and nobody is saying all are.  BUT the
> majority are and 
> >> that is the groupe people are complaining about. 
> If we got the 
> >> freeloaders off the payrolls a tax increase
> wouldn't be needed!
> >>
> >> Brian
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Mike Fleischer wrote:
> >>
> >>> OK
> >>>
> >>> I agree the system probably does need reform. 
> The point I can not 
> >>> agree with here is that these people are all
> freeloaders... Or that 
> >>> if they get help they suddenly would become
> freeloaders...
> >>>
> >>> Brian E. Buxton wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> There should be help for them, but if the
> Gov't got all of the 
> >>>> freeloaders off the "payrolls"
> there wouldn't need to be a tax 
> >>>> increase to help those who truly need
> help.  There would be a 
> >>>> surplus based on what is already taken
> from our taxes!  And I think 
> >>>> welfare or any other such type assistance
> should be incrementally 
> >>>> phased out.  One year is plenty of time to
> find a job or get back 
> >>>> on your feet.  So in Jan you get $2,000,
> Feb you get $1,834, March 
> >>>> you get $1,668, and so on.  And during
> this time you have 2 months 
> >>>> to find a job and you must stay employed
> in order to receive 
> >>>> benefits.  And you must be subject to
> random drug tests.  Longer 
> >>>> programs can be implemented for those who
> truly need more help, but 
> >>>> this plan would take care of 90% of those
> who are down on their luck.
> >>>>
> >>>> Brian
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Mike Fleischer wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> I agree with Ric on that point also,
> but the piece he is missing:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The teenage mom struggling to raise
> her kid when their dad left them?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The father who lost his job at the
> local plant, mostly due to poor 
> >>>>> management by his company, and finds
> the only job available to him 
> >>>>> is to serve burgers at local McDonalds
> as his skills are no longer 
> >>>>> useable or marketable and his saving
> will only last him a year?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The pensioner, who's lifes savings
> were stolen away by some shady 
> >>>>> doctors or Enron executives?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What is your answer for them?  Fuck
> you, your screwed?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Brian E. Buxton wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I would have to agree with Ric
> here.  Having "compassion" for 
> >>>>>> someone who is living a life based
> on the consequences of their 
> >>>>>> own decisions allows that person
> to not be required to take 
> >>>>>> responsibility for their
> decisions.  If they are poor or can't 
> >>>>>> pay their own bills then someone
> else will!
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> B
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Ric Rainbolt wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>  
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> At 05:50 PM 11/12/2008, you
> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I fully agree our system
> is not fair and it really is a form of 
> >>>>>>>> charity
> >>>>>>>> to a large extent, no
> question.  It seems the arguments here 
> >>>>>>>> are based
> >>>>>>>> on just the numbers, but
> what is missing here is any compassion 
> >>>>>>>> for your
> >>>>>>>> fellow man.  Sure I work
> hard to provide for my family and I 
> >>>>>>>> worry about
> >>>>>>>> their financial security
> and future but I also recognize that I 
> >>>>>>>> live in
> >>>>>>>> a society with other
> people and reading this I recall an old 
> >>>>>>>> adage my
> >>>>>>>> parents used to tell me:
> "the world needs ditch diggers too"...
> >>>>>>>>         
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> And therein is the basis of
> the problem. This is a worldwide 
> >>>>>>> epidemic of misconception,
> IMHO.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Compassion for my fellow man
> is NOT to support someone who 
> >>>>>>> doesn't bother to get an
> education, or bother to not drink beer 
> >>>>>>> that costs more than his gross
> wages. Is it MY fault that he's a 
> >>>>>>> ditch digger? Perhaps I spent
> years honing my profitable 
> >>>>>>> technical skills while he
> skipped school and drank his way into 
> >>>>>>> his situation? Now I'm
> literally robbed to pay for his misdeeds 
> >>>>>>> or lack of proactive
> foresight.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It should for ME to decide
> when to allow the gift of charity to 
> >>>>>>> emanate from MY compassion. I
> do NOT want to have money taken BY 
> >>>>>>> FORCE by large bureaucracy and
> given willy-nilly to whoever 
> >>>>>>> makes up the best boo-hoo sob
> story. I've lived around and 
> >>>>>>> worked with MANY fully
> able-bodied individuals that were taking 
> >>>>>>> money from the system via
> systematic fraud (workmans comp, 
> >>>>>>> Medicare, etc.). Then
> there's the whole part about federal 
> >>>>>>> funding for all kinds of crap
> that I would NEVER EVER support if 
> >>>>>>> given a choice in the matter.
> I give many thousands to charities 
> >>>>>>> each year... ones of MY
> choosing.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> There is NO charity in someone
> taking my money to give to 
> >>>>>>> someone else (and in many
> cases, keep some for themselves for 
> >>>>>>> being so righteous).
> That's playing shift-the-burden-of-my-guilt 
> >>>>>>> complex. Far too common.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> RR
> >>>>>>>
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> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> -- 
> >>
> >> Brian E. Buxton, President
> >>
> >>  
> >>
> >> Buxton Motorsports, Inc.
> <http://www.buxtonmotorsports.com>
> >>
> >> 301 North Royal Ave.
> >>
> >> Buxton Plaza
> >>
> >> Evansville, IN 47715-2866
> >>
> >> (812) 476-2281 x 209 office
> >>
> >> (812) 760-5513 mobile
> >>
> >>  
> >>
> >> Member ThaList.com <http://www.ThaList.com>
> >>
> >>  
> >>
> >> President, Brian Buxton Enterprises, Inc. 
> >>
> <http://www.buxtonmotorsports.com/storage-transportation.php>
> >>
> >> Nationwide Enclosed Auto Transportation
> >>
> >>  
> >>
> >> Founder & Past President
> >>
> >> SO. IN Region PCA
> >>
> >
> >
> 
> -- 
> 
> Brian E. Buxton, President
> 
>  
> 
> Buxton Motorsports, Inc.
> <http://www.buxtonmotorsports.com>
> 
> 301 North Royal Ave.
> 
> Buxton Plaza
> 
> Evansville, IN 47715-2866
> 
> (812) 476-2281 x 209 office
> 
> (812) 760-5513 mobile
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> 
> Member ThaList.com <http://www.ThaList.com>
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> 
> President, Brian Buxton Enterprises, Inc. 
> <http://www.buxtonmotorsports.com/storage-transportation.php>
> 
> Nationwide Enclosed Auto Transportation
> 
>  
> 
> Founder & Past President
> 
> SO. IN Region PCA
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