Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Barstool Economics (was RE: Are Ferraris Losing TheirGood Looks? )

(continued)

Just imagine if health care were nationalized and the customer service was 

similar to what you saw in the SS lobby?  Talk about an exciting experience! 

;-{

Sincerely,
Larry T  (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T)
www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits &
Porsche Posters/Weber parts
.

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Steve Jenkins" <steve [at] stevejenkins.com>

To: "Larry Turner" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 9:56 AM

Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Barstool Economics (was RE: Are Ferraris Losing 

TheirGood Looks? )

Rick:

You are SO spot on.

The people in the lobby had something in common with the employees behind

the glass: the government has removed both of their incentives to work 

their

hardest.

I remember leaving and saying "If I had employees that treated their
customers like that, my business would be failing."

Hmm.....

SJ

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Lindsay [mailto:rolindsay [at] yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 7:45 AM
To: Steve Jenkins
Cc: The FerrariList

Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Barstool Economics (was RE: Are Ferraris Losing 

Their

Good Looks? )

Just did this in Conroe, TX.  My son lost his SS card and had to appear in
person for a replacement.  I don't know which was more depressing, the
people in the line or the people behind the counter!

rick

--- On Thu, 11/13/08, Steve Jenkins <steve [at] stevejenkins.com> wrote:

From: Steve Jenkins <steve [at] stevejenkins.com>
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Barstool Economics (was RE: Are Ferraris Losing
Their Good Looks? )
To: "rolindsay" <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 1:28 PM Like I said - just go sit
in a Soc Sec Office for an hour.
It's far from
scientific, but you will get a vibe.

My spider sense was tingling.....

SJ

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian E. Buxton
[mailto:BrianBuxton [at] BuxtonMotorsports.com]
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:18 PM
To: Steve Jenkins
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Barstool Economics (was RE: Are Ferraris Losing
Their Good Looks? )

Well I am sure if the Gov't had actually numbers on how many cheaters
there were they would most likely have their benefits terminated.
That's not the kind of info the cheaters willingly volunteer.  But I'm
sure estimates are all over the net in Gov't reports.
Of course I
haven't seen you post any hard numbers supporting your points either
...
Most of my info comes from first hand experience.  I know several
patients who come to see my father who collect multiple welfare checks
every month under different names at PO boxes, who have new Lincolns
and Cadillacs and can go dancing at local bars but are on disability.
Mothers collecting assistance for 4 or 5 kids they have given to their
parents to raise.  And I am not referring to 2 or 3 people.
 It's a
rampant problem, and common knowledge to anyone with their eyes open.
As others have pointed out, do you REALLY believe 2/5 people in the US
are unable to work and deserving of public assistance?

Brian

Mike Fleischer wrote:

> I am pretty open minded on this and really It grates
my sense of
> justice and fair play as much as anyone to think
someone is taking a
> handout and buying more beer for themselves...  But
where is your data
> on this coming from?  So far its all been anecdotal,
and I honestly
> don't know what the percentage is for cheaters vs
legitimate users of
> the system?
>
> Brian E. Buxton wrote:
>
>> Not all are and nobody is saying all are.  BUT the
majority are and
>> that is the groupe people are complaining about.
If we got the
>> freeloaders off the payrolls a tax increase
wouldn't be needed!
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike Fleischer wrote:
>>
>>> OK
>>>
>>> I agree the system probably does need reform.
The point I can not
>>> agree with here is that these people are all
freeloaders... Or that
>>> if they get help they suddenly would become
freeloaders...
>>>
>>> Brian E. Buxton wrote:
>>>
>>>> There should be help for them, but if the
Gov't got all of the
>>>> freeloaders off the "payrolls"
there wouldn't need to be a tax
>>>> increase to help those who truly need
help.  There would be a
>>>> surplus based on what is already taken
from our taxes!  And I think
>>>> welfare or any other such type assistance
should be incrementally
>>>> phased out.  One year is plenty of time to
find a job or get back
>>>> on your feet.  So in Jan you get $2,000,
Feb you get $1,834, March
>>>> you get $1,668, and so on.  And during
this time you have 2 months
>>>> to find a job and you must stay employed
in order to receive
>>>> benefits.  And you must be subject to
random drug tests.  Longer
>>>> programs can be implemented for those who
truly need more help, but
>>>> this plan would take care of 90% of those
who are down on their luck.
>>>>
>>>> Brian
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mike Fleischer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I agree with Ric on that point also,
but the piece he is missing:
>>>>>
>>>>> The teenage mom struggling to raise
her kid when their dad left them?
>>>>>
>>>>> The father who lost his job at the
local plant, mostly due to poor
>>>>> management by his company, and finds
the only job available to him
>>>>> is to serve burgers at local McDonalds
as his skills are no longer
>>>>> useable or marketable and his saving
will only last him a year?
>>>>>
>>>>> The pensioner, who's lifes savings
were stolen away by some shady
>>>>> doctors or Enron executives?
>>>>>
>>>>> What is your answer for them?  Fuck
you, your screwed?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian E. Buxton wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I would have to agree with Ric
here.  Having "compassion" for
>>>>>> someone who is living a life based
on the consequences of their
>>>>>> own decisions allows that person
to not be required to take
>>>>>> responsibility for their
decisions.  If they are poor or can't
>>>>>> pay their own bills then someone
else will!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> B
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ric Rainbolt wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At 05:50 PM 11/12/2008, you
wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I fully agree our system
is not fair and it really is a form of
>>>>>>>> charity
>>>>>>>> to a large extent, no
question.  It seems the arguments here
>>>>>>>> are based
>>>>>>>> on just the numbers, but
what is missing here is any compassion
>>>>>>>> for your
>>>>>>>> fellow man.  Sure I work
hard to provide for my family and I
>>>>>>>> worry about
>>>>>>>> their financial security
and future but I also recognize that I
>>>>>>>> live in
>>>>>>>> a society with other
people and reading this I recall an old
>>>>>>>> adage my
>>>>>>>> parents used to tell me:
"the world needs ditch diggers too"...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And therein is the basis of
the problem. This is a worldwide
>>>>>>> epidemic of misconception,
IMHO.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Compassion for my fellow man
is NOT to support someone who
>>>>>>> doesn't bother to get an
education, or bother to not drink beer
>>>>>>> that costs more than his gross
wages. Is it MY fault that he's a
>>>>>>> ditch digger? Perhaps I spent
years honing my profitable
>>>>>>> technical skills while he
skipped school and drank his way into
>>>>>>> his situation? Now I'm
literally robbed to pay for his misdeeds
>>>>>>> or lack of proactive
foresight.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It should for ME to decide
when to allow the gift of charity to
>>>>>>> emanate from MY compassion. I
do NOT want to have money taken BY
>>>>>>> FORCE by large bureaucracy and
given willy-nilly to whoever
>>>>>>> makes up the best boo-hoo sob
story. I've lived around and
>>>>>>> worked with MANY fully
able-bodied individuals that were taking
>>>>>>> money from the system via
systematic fraud (workmans comp,
>>>>>>> Medicare, etc.). Then
there's the whole part about federal
>>>>>>> funding for all kinds of crap
that I would NEVER EVER support if
>>>>>>> given a choice in the matter.
I give many thousands to charities
>>>>>>> each year... ones of MY
choosing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is NO charity in someone
taking my money to give to
>>>>>>> someone else (and in many
cases, keep some for themselves for
>>>>>>> being so righteous).
That's playing shift-the-burden-of-my-guilt
>>>>>>> complex. Far too common.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> RR
>>>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Brian E. Buxton, President
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Buxton Motorsports, Inc.
<http://www.buxtonmotorsports.com>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>
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>>
>> Brian E. Buxton, President
>>
>>
>>
>> Buxton Motorsports, Inc.
<http://www.buxtonmotorsports.com>
>>
>> 301 North Royal Ave.
>>
>> Buxton Plaza
>>
>> Evansville, IN 47715-2866
>>
>> (812) 476-2281 x 209 office
>>
>> (812) 760-5513 mobile
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>> President, Brian Buxton Enterprises, Inc.
>>
<http://www.buxtonmotorsports.com/storage-transportation.php>
>>
>> Nationwide Enclosed Auto Transportation
>>
>>
>>
>> Founder & Past President
>>
>> SO. IN Region PCA
>>
>
>

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Buxton Motorsports, Inc.
<http://www.buxtonmotorsports.com>

301 North Royal Ave.

Buxton Plaza

Evansville, IN 47715-2866

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Nationwide Enclosed Auto Transportation

Founder & Past President

SO. IN Region PCA

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Re: Barstool Economics (was RE: Are Ferraris Losing TheirGood Looks? )	<– Date –> <– Thread –>
From: LarryT (l02turnercomcast.net)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 08:38:45 -0800 (PST)