Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Barstool Economics (was RE: Are Ferraris Losing TheirGood Looks? )

[E M (pokiebaron]

So you've been to Canada, eh Larry?  hee hee. ;-)

Ed
300E

2008/11/14 LarryT <l02turner [at] comcast.net>

> Just imagine if health care were nationalized and the customer service was
> similar to what you saw in the SS lobby?  Talk about an exciting
> experience!
> ;-{
>
> Sincerely,
> Larry T  (74 911, 91 300D 2.5T)
> www.youroil.net Oil Analysis Kits &
> Porsche Posters/Weber parts
> .
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Steve Jenkins" <steve [at] stevejenkins.com>
> To: "Larry Turner" <l02turner [at] comcast.net>
> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 9:56 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Barstool Economics (was RE: Are Ferraris Losing
> TheirGood Looks? )
>
>
> > Rick:
> >
> > You are SO spot on.
> >
> > The people in the lobby had something in common with the employees behind
> > the glass: the government has removed both of their incentives to work
> > their
> > hardest.
> >
> > I remember leaving and saying "If I had employees that treated their
> > customers like that, my business would be failing."
> >
> > Hmm.....
> >
> > SJ
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Rick Lindsay [mailto:rolindsay [at] yahoo.com]
> > Sent: Friday, November 14, 2008 7:45 AM
> > To: Steve Jenkins
> > Cc: The FerrariList
> > Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Barstool Economics (was RE: Are Ferraris Losing
> > Their
> > Good Looks? )
> >
> > Just did this in Conroe, TX.  My son lost his SS card and had to appear
> in
> > person for a replacement.  I don't know which was more depressing, the
> > people in the line or the people behind the counter!
> >
> > rick
> >
> > --- On Thu, 11/13/08, Steve Jenkins <steve [at] stevejenkins.com> wrote:
> >
> >> From: Steve Jenkins <steve [at] stevejenkins.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Barstool Economics (was RE: Are Ferraris Losing
> >> Their Good Looks? )
> >> To: "rolindsay" <rolindsay [at] yahoo.com>
> >> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
> >> Date: Thursday, November 13, 2008, 1:28 PM Like I said - just go sit
> >> in a Soc Sec Office for an hour.
> >> It's far from
> >> scientific, but you will get a vibe.
> >>
> >> My spider sense was tingling.....
> >>
> >> SJ
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Brian E. Buxton
> >> [mailto:BrianBuxton [at] BuxtonMotorsports.com]
> >> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:18 PM
> >> To: Steve Jenkins
> >> Cc: The FerrariList
> >> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Barstool Economics (was RE: Are Ferraris Losing
> >> Their Good Looks? )
> >>
> >> Well I am sure if the Gov't had actually numbers on how many cheaters
> >> there were they would most likely have their benefits terminated.
> >> That's not the kind of info the cheaters willingly volunteer.  But I'm
> >> sure estimates are all over the net in Gov't reports.
> >> Of course I
> >> haven't seen you post any hard numbers supporting your points either
> >> ...
> >> Most of my info comes from first hand experience.  I know several
> >> patients who come to see my father who collect multiple welfare checks
> >> every month under different names at PO boxes, who have new Lincolns
> >> and Cadillacs and can go dancing at local bars but are on disability.
> >> Mothers collecting assistance for 4 or 5 kids they have given to their
> >> parents to raise.  And I am not referring to 2 or 3 people.
> >>  It's a
> >> rampant problem, and common knowledge to anyone with their eyes open.
> >> As others have pointed out, do you REALLY believe 2/5 people in the US
> >> are unable to work and deserving of public assistance?
> >>
> >> Brian
> >>
> >>
> >> Mike Fleischer wrote:
> >>
> >> > I am pretty open minded on this and really It grates
> >> my sense of
> >> > justice and fair play as much as anyone to think
> >> someone is taking a
> >> > handout and buying more beer for themselves...  But
> >> where is your data
> >> > on this coming from?  So far its all been anecdotal,
> >> and I honestly
> >> > don't know what the percentage is for cheaters vs
> >> legitimate users of
> >> > the system?
> >> >
> >> > Brian E. Buxton wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Not all are and nobody is saying all are.  BUT the
> >> majority are and
> >> >> that is the groupe people are complaining about.
> >> If we got the
> >> >> freeloaders off the payrolls a tax increase
> >> wouldn't be needed!
> >> >>
> >> >> Brian
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Mike Fleischer wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> OK
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I agree the system probably does need reform.
> >> The point I can not
> >> >>> agree with here is that these people are all
> >> freeloaders... Or that
> >> >>> if they get help they suddenly would become
> >> freeloaders...
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Brian E. Buxton wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> There should be help for them, but if the
> >> Gov't got all of the
> >> >>>> freeloaders off the "payrolls"
> >> there wouldn't need to be a tax
> >> >>>> increase to help those who truly need
> >> help.  There would be a
> >> >>>> surplus based on what is already taken
> >> from our taxes!  And I think
> >> >>>> welfare or any other such type assistance
> >> should be incrementally
> >> >>>> phased out.  One year is plenty of time to
> >> find a job or get back
> >> >>>> on your feet.  So in Jan you get $2,000,
> >> Feb you get $1,834, March
> >> >>>> you get $1,668, and so on.  And during
> >> this time you have 2 months
> >> >>>> to find a job and you must stay employed
> >> in order to receive
> >> >>>> benefits.  And you must be subject to
> >> random drug tests.  Longer
> >> >>>> programs can be implemented for those who
> >> truly need more help, but
> >> >>>> this plan would take care of 90% of those
> >> who are down on their luck.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Brian
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Mike Fleischer wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> I agree with Ric on that point also,
> >> but the piece he is missing:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> The teenage mom struggling to raise
> >> her kid when their dad left them?
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> The father who lost his job at the
> >> local plant, mostly due to poor
> >> >>>>> management by his company, and finds
> >> the only job available to him
> >> >>>>> is to serve burgers at local McDonalds
> >> as his skills are no longer
> >> >>>>> useable or marketable and his saving
> >> will only last him a year?
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> The pensioner, who's lifes savings
> >> were stolen away by some shady
> >> >>>>> doctors or Enron executives?
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> What is your answer for them?  Fuck
> >> you, your screwed?
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Brian E. Buxton wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>> I would have to agree with Ric
> >> here.  Having "compassion" for
> >> >>>>>> someone who is living a life based
> >> on the consequences of their
> >> >>>>>> own decisions allows that person
> >> to not be required to take
> >> >>>>>> responsibility for their
> >> decisions.  If they are poor or can't
> >> >>>>>> pay their own bills then someone
> >> else will!
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> B
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>> Ric Rainbolt wrote:
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> At 05:50 PM 11/12/2008, you
> >> wrote:
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>> I fully agree our system
> >> is not fair and it really is a form of
> >> >>>>>>>> charity
> >> >>>>>>>> to a large extent, no
> >> question.  It seems the arguments here
> >> >>>>>>>> are based
> >> >>>>>>>> on just the numbers, but
> >> what is missing here is any compassion
> >> >>>>>>>> for your
> >> >>>>>>>> fellow man.  Sure I work
> >> hard to provide for my family and I
> >> >>>>>>>> worry about
> >> >>>>>>>> their financial security
> >> and future but I also recognize that I
> >> >>>>>>>> live in
> >> >>>>>>>> a society with other
> >> people and reading this I recall an old
> >> >>>>>>>> adage my
> >> >>>>>>>> parents used to tell me:
> >> "the world needs ditch diggers too"...
> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> And therein is the basis of
> >> the problem. This is a worldwide
> >> >>>>>>> epidemic of misconception,
> >> IMHO.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> Compassion for my fellow man
> >> is NOT to support someone who
> >> >>>>>>> doesn't bother to get an
> >> education, or bother to not drink beer
> >> >>>>>>> that costs more than his gross
> >> wages. Is it MY fault that he's a
> >> >>>>>>> ditch digger? Perhaps I spent
> >> years honing my profitable
> >> >>>>>>> technical skills while he
> >> skipped school and drank his way into
> >> >>>>>>> his situation? Now I'm
> >> literally robbed to pay for his misdeeds
> >> >>>>>>> or lack of proactive
> >> foresight.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> It should for ME to decide
> >> when to allow the gift of charity to
> >> >>>>>>> emanate from MY compassion. I
> >> do NOT want to have money taken BY
> >> >>>>>>> FORCE by large bureaucracy and
> >> given willy-nilly to whoever
> >> >>>>>>> makes up the best boo-hoo sob
> >> story. I've lived around and
> >> >>>>>>> worked with MANY fully
> >> able-bodied individuals that were taking
> >> >>>>>>> money from the system via
> >> systematic fraud (workmans comp,
> >> >>>>>>> Medicare, etc.). Then
> >> there's the whole part about federal
> >> >>>>>>> funding for all kinds of crap
> >> that I would NEVER EVER support if
> >> >>>>>>> given a choice in the matter.
> >> I give many thousands to charities
> >> >>>>>>> each year... ones of MY
> >> choosing.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> There is NO charity in someone
> >> taking my money to give to
> >> >>>>>>> someone else (and in many
> >> cases, keep some for themselves for
> >> >>>>>>> being so righteous).
> >> That's playing shift-the-burden-of-my-guilt
> >> >>>>>>> complex. Far too common.
> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >>>>>>> RR
> >> >>>>>>>
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> >> >>>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> --
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Brian E. Buxton, President
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Buxton Motorsports, Inc.
> >> <http://www.buxtonmotorsports.com>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> 301 North Royal Ave.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Buxton Plaza
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Evansville, IN 47715-2866
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> (812) 476-2281 x 209 office
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> (812) 760-5513 mobile
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Member ThaList.com
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> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> President, Brian Buxton Enterprises, Inc.
> >> >>>>
> >> <http://www.buxtonmotorsports.com/storage-transportation.php>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Nationwide Enclosed Auto Transportation
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Founder & Past President
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> SO. IN Region PCA
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >>
> >> >> Brian E. Buxton, President
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Buxton Motorsports, Inc.
> >> <http://www.buxtonmotorsports.com>
> >> >>
> >> >> 301 North Royal Ave.
> >> >>
> >> >> Buxton Plaza
> >> >>
> >> >> Evansville, IN 47715-2866
> >> >>
> >> >> (812) 476-2281 x 209 office
> >> >>
> >> >> (812) 760-5513 mobile
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Member ThaList.com <http://www.ThaList.com>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> President, Brian Buxton Enterprises, Inc.
> >> >>
> >> <http://www.buxtonmotorsports.com/storage-transportation.php>
> >> >>
> >> >> Nationwide Enclosed Auto Transportation
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Founder & Past President
> >> >>
> >> >> SO. IN Region PCA
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Brian E. Buxton, President
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Buxton Motorsports, Inc.
> >> <http://www.buxtonmotorsports.com>
> >>
> >> 301 North Royal Ave.
> >>
> >> Buxton Plaza
> >>
> >> Evansville, IN 47715-2866
> >>
> >> (812) 476-2281 x 209 office
> >>
> >> (812) 760-5513 mobile
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Member ThaList.com <http://www.ThaList.com>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> President, Brian Buxton Enterprises, Inc.
> >> <http://www.buxtonmotorsports.com/storage-transportation.php>
> >>
> >> Nationwide Enclosed Auto Transportation
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Founder & Past President
> >>
> >> SO. IN Region PCA
> >>
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