Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Barstool Economics (was RE: Are Ferraris Losing Their Good Looks? )

[Steve Jenkins (steve]

Like I said - just go sit in a Soc Sec Office for an hour. It's far from
scientific, but you will get a vibe.

My spider sense was tingling.....

SJ 

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian E. Buxton [mailto:BrianBuxton [at] BuxtonMotorsports.com] 
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2008 12:18 PM
To: Steve Jenkins
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Barstool Economics (was RE: Are Ferraris Losing Their
Good Looks? )

Well I am sure if the Gov't had actually numbers on how many cheaters 
there were they would most likely have their benefits terminated.  
That's not the kind of info the cheaters willingly volunteer.  But I'm 
sure estimates are all over the net in Gov't reports.  Of course I 
haven't seen you post any hard numbers supporting your points either ... 
Most of my info comes from first hand experience.  I know several 
patients who come to see my father who collect multiple welfare checks 
every month under different names at PO boxes, who have new Lincolns and 
Cadillacs and can go dancing at local bars but are on disability.  
Mothers collecting assistance for 4 or 5 kids they have given to their 
parents to raise.  And I am not referring to 2 or 3 people.  It's a 
rampant problem, and common knowledge to anyone with their eyes open.  
As others have pointed out, do you REALLY believe 2/5 people in the US 
are unable to work and deserving of public assistance?

Brian


Mike Fleischer wrote:

> I am pretty open minded on this and really It grates my sense of 
> justice and fair play as much as anyone to think someone is taking a 
> handout and buying more beer for themselves...  But where is your data 
> on this coming from?  So far its all been anecdotal, and I honestly 
> don't know what the percentage is for cheaters vs legitimate users of 
> the system?
>
> Brian E. Buxton wrote:
>
>> Not all are and nobody is saying all are.  BUT the majority are and 
>> that is the groupe people are complaining about.  If we got the 
>> freeloaders off the payrolls a tax increase wouldn't be needed!
>>
>> Brian
>>
>>
>>
>> Mike Fleischer wrote:
>>
>>> OK
>>>
>>> I agree the system probably does need reform.  The point I can not 
>>> agree with here is that these people are all freeloaders... Or that 
>>> if they get help they suddenly would become freeloaders...
>>>
>>> Brian E. Buxton wrote:
>>>
>>>> There should be help for them, but if the Gov't got all of the 
>>>> freeloaders off the "payrolls" there wouldn't need to be a tax 
>>>> increase to help those who truly need help.  There would be a 
>>>> surplus based on what is already taken from our taxes!  And I think 
>>>> welfare or any other such type assistance should be incrementally 
>>>> phased out.  One year is plenty of time to find a job or get back 
>>>> on your feet.  So in Jan you get $2,000, Feb you get $1,834, March 
>>>> you get $1,668, and so on.  And during this time you have 2 months 
>>>> to find a job and you must stay employed in order to receive 
>>>> benefits.  And you must be subject to random drug tests.  Longer 
>>>> programs can be implemented for those who truly need more help, but 
>>>> this plan would take care of 90% of those who are down on their luck.
>>>>
>>>> Brian
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mike Fleischer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I agree with Ric on that point also, but the piece he is missing:
>>>>>
>>>>> The teenage mom struggling to raise her kid when their dad left them?
>>>>>
>>>>> The father who lost his job at the local plant, mostly due to poor 
>>>>> management by his company, and finds the only job available to him 
>>>>> is to serve burgers at local McDonalds as his skills are no longer 
>>>>> useable or marketable and his saving will only last him a year?
>>>>>
>>>>> The pensioner, who's lifes savings were stolen away by some shady 
>>>>> doctors or Enron executives?
>>>>>
>>>>> What is your answer for them?  Fuck you, your screwed?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian E. Buxton wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I would have to agree with Ric here.  Having "compassion" for 
>>>>>> someone who is living a life based on the consequences of their 
>>>>>> own decisions allows that person to not be required to take 
>>>>>> responsibility for their decisions.  If they are poor or can't 
>>>>>> pay their own bills then someone else will!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> B
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ric Rainbolt wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At 05:50 PM 11/12/2008, you wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I fully agree our system is not fair and it really is a form of 
>>>>>>>> charity
>>>>>>>> to a large extent, no question.  It seems the arguments here 
>>>>>>>> are based
>>>>>>>> on just the numbers, but what is missing here is any compassion 
>>>>>>>> for your
>>>>>>>> fellow man.  Sure I work hard to provide for my family and I 
>>>>>>>> worry about
>>>>>>>> their financial security and future but I also recognize that I 
>>>>>>>> live in
>>>>>>>> a society with other people and reading this I recall an old 
>>>>>>>> adage my
>>>>>>>> parents used to tell me: "the world needs ditch diggers too"...
>>>>>>>>         
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And therein is the basis of the problem. This is a worldwide 
>>>>>>> epidemic of misconception, IMHO.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Compassion for my fellow man is NOT to support someone who 
>>>>>>> doesn't bother to get an education, or bother to not drink beer 
>>>>>>> that costs more than his gross wages. Is it MY fault that he's a 
>>>>>>> ditch digger? Perhaps I spent years honing my profitable 
>>>>>>> technical skills while he skipped school and drank his way into 
>>>>>>> his situation? Now I'm literally robbed to pay for his misdeeds 
>>>>>>> or lack of proactive foresight.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It should for ME to decide when to allow the gift of charity to 
>>>>>>> emanate from MY compassion. I do NOT want to have money taken BY 
>>>>>>> FORCE by large bureaucracy and given willy-nilly to whoever 
>>>>>>> makes up the best boo-hoo sob story. I've lived around and 
>>>>>>> worked with MANY fully able-bodied individuals that were taking 
>>>>>>> money from the system via systematic fraud (workmans comp, 
>>>>>>> Medicare, etc.). Then there's the whole part about federal 
>>>>>>> funding for all kinds of crap that I would NEVER EVER support if 
>>>>>>> given a choice in the matter. I give many thousands to charities 
>>>>>>> each year... ones of MY choosing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is NO charity in someone taking my money to give to 
>>>>>>> someone else (and in many cases, keep some for themselves for 
>>>>>>> being so righteous). That's playing shift-the-burden-of-my-guilt 
>>>>>>> complex. Far too common.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> RR
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>>>> -- 
>>>>
>>>> Brian E. Buxton, President
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>
>>>> Buxton Motorsports, Inc. <http://www.buxtonmotorsports.com>
>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> Brian E. Buxton, President
>>
>>  
>>
>> Buxton Motorsports, Inc. <http://www.buxtonmotorsports.com>
>>
>> 301 North Royal Ave.
>>
>> Buxton Plaza
>>
>> Evansville, IN 47715-2866
>>
>> (812) 476-2281 x 209 office
>>
>> (812) 760-5513 mobile
>>
>>  
>>
>> Member ThaList.com <http://www.ThaList.com>
>>
>>  
>>
>> President, Brian Buxton Enterprises, Inc. 
>> <http://www.buxtonmotorsports.com/storage-transportation.php>
>>
>> Nationwide Enclosed Auto Transportation
>>
>>  
>>
>> Founder & Past President
>>
>> SO. IN Region PCA
>>
>
>

-- 

Brian E. Buxton, President

 

Buxton Motorsports, Inc. <http://www.buxtonmotorsports.com>

301 North Royal Ave.

Buxton Plaza

Evansville, IN 47715-2866

(812) 476-2281 x 209 office

(812) 760-5513 mobile

 

Member ThaList.com <http://www.ThaList.com>

 

President, Brian Buxton Enterprises, Inc. 
<http://www.buxtonmotorsports.com/storage-transportation.php>

Nationwide Enclosed Auto Transportation

 

Founder & Past President

SO. IN Region PCA

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