Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Fwd: Airbus .... more bad news

70000 hrs! You can't be getting much sleep.  All kidding aside, I 

remember, years ago when there was some (perhaps Boeing) propaganda 

concerning the engine placement on Airbuses.  Do you remember that?

clyde romero wrote:

Its total Bullshit 

This guys doesn’t know his ass from 3rd base.

The Airbus has a cable rudder and has never experienced a triple failure of
its flight computers
I have been an airbus pilot since 1999 with over 70000hrs of 319,320,321,330
time.
It’s the safest airplane flying

Clyde

Capt. Clyde Romero Jr.
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Clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net
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-----Original Message-----

From: Rich [mailto:Rich355 [at] comcast.net] 

Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 4:10 PM

To: clyde
Cc: The FerrariList
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Fwd: Airbus .... more bad news

----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Doug and Terri Anderson" <dnt [at] dock.net>

To: "Rich" <rich355 [at] comcast.net>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Fwd: Airbus .... more bad news

Any guesses what the culprit was on last nights event?  Tail lock up?
DOUG
===============

So far it has all the same indications as that 1994 ATR 72 crash in Indiana 

of loss of control over ice perhaps. Planes slow down on final and have less

airspeed margin to  overcome any slight ice accumulation on lift surfaces. 

One wing can stall before the other leading to a spin entry and  vertical 

dive like last night. If i had to bet my 401 k on it now, i would lean to 

that cause.

Rich

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From: <Red5hilser [at] aol.com>

To: "DOUG" <dnt [at] dock.net>
Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 12:50 PM
Subject: [Ferrari] Fwd: Airbus .... more bad news

Hey Capt'n cLyDe: So . . . what's yer opinion on this. Sully did an
outstanding piece of flying to get everybody home safe and sound, IMHO.
It's not
about him, but the Airbus instead.

Yer pal, Ferrari Bubba

From a friend of a friend.....

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Might find this interesting about  the Airbus crash.  Got this forwarded
from
a friend who has been a  lifelong pilot and aviation buff, and obviously
he
got from some of his  aircraft friends.  I've heard others complain about
"fly
by wire" and  "computer controlled airplanes"............another
perspective.

EVERYONE:  Eric is a retired US Air pilot and a judge  at OSH each 

yr..and

a
close friend.

Interesting  what he thinks of Air Bus??? I had asked him if he knew the
pilot Sully .. Crash

____________________________________

Hello  Crash:

Actually it's Hudson  river fame.  I didn't know him.  I've seen  him in
the

crew room and around the system but never met  him.  He was former PSA 

and

I
was  former Piedmont and we never had the occasion to  fly together.

The dumb shit press just won't leave  this alone.  Most airliner 

ditchings

aren't very  successful since they take place on the open ocean with
wind,
rough seas, swells and rescue boats are hours or days  away.  This one
happened in
fresh smooth water, landing  with the current and the rescue boats were
there
picking  people up while they were still climbing out of the  airplane.
It
also happened on a cold winter day when  all the pleasure boats were
parked.
Had this happened  in July it would be pretty hard not to whack a couple
of
little boats.  Sully did a nice job but so would 95% of  the other pilots
in the
industry.

Don't be  surprised if the Airbus fly by wire computers didn't put a
perfectly good airplane in the water.   In a older  generation airplane
like the 727
or  737 300/400  the throttles are hooked to the fuel controllers on the
engine by a steel throttle cable just like a TBM or a  Comanche.  On the
Airbus
nothing in the cockpit is  real.  Everything is electronic.  The
throttles,
rudder and brake pedals and the side stick are hooked to  rheostats who
talk to
a computer who talks to a electric  hydraulic servo valve which in turn
hopefully moves  something.

In a older generation airplane when you  hit birds the engines keep
screaming

or they blow up but  they don't both roll back to idle simultaneously 

like

happened to Flt. 1549.  All it would take is for bird  guts to plug a
pressure
sensor or knock the pitot probe off  or plug it and the computers would
roll
the engines back to  idle thinking they were over boosting because the

computers  were getting bad data.   The Airbus is a real pile of  shit. 

I

don't like
riding on them.

Google  Airbus A320 Crash at the Paris Airshow in  1998.  Watch the video
of

an airbus A320 crash into a  forest because the computers wouldn't allow 

a

power increase  following a low pass.  The computers wouldn't allow a
power
increase because they determined that the airspeed was  too low for the
increase
requested so the computers didn't  give them any.  Pushing the throttles
forward in a  Airbus does nothing more than request a power increase from
the
computer.  If the computer doesn't like all the  airplane and engine
parameters you
don't get a power  increase.   Airbus blamed the dead crew since they
couldn't defend themselves.  A Boeing would still be  flying.

Eric

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Re: Fwd: Airbus .... more bad news	<– Date –> <– Thread –>
From: Martin Stark (MStarkCopper.net)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 14:08:26 -0800 (PST)