Ferrari Mailing List: Re: Fwd: Airbus .... more bad news

[Brian Keegan (bks281]

Nice return of fire there Hans!> Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 16:52:17 -0800> From: 
FList [at] hanshansen.org> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Fwd: Airbus .... more bad 
news> CC: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com> To: bks281 [at] hotmail.com> > Err, 
Clyde, there are 87,600 hours in 10 years.> That's 24 X 365 X 10.> > So if you 
have 70000 hours flight time since 1999,> that leaves 17,600 hours to eat, 
sleep, shit,> and vacation. Or about 36 hours per week> or 6 days per month.> > 
Do the math.> > Who's the idiot?> > 2009/2/13 clyde romero <clyderomero [at] 
worldnet.att.net>:> > You're an idiot Hans> > My flight kit has more brains 
than you do> > I fly an average of 85 hrs / month per year for pay> > You don't 
work every day Hans> > We also have vacation etc!> > Jesus !> > You do the 
math> > People like your self have problems with Velcro> > And pouring sand out 
of show with instructions on the heel!> >> >> >> >> > Clyde> >> > Capt. Clyde 
Romero Jr.> > Manpad SME> > Clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net> > Mobile 678 641 
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electronic (e-mail) transmission.> >> >> >> >> >> > -----Original Message-----> 
> From: Hans E. Hansen [mailto:FList [at] hanshansen.org]> > Sent: Friday, 
February 13, 2009 6:08 PM> > To: clyde> > Cc: The FerrariList> > Subject: Re: 
[Ferrari] Fwd: Airbus .... more bad news> >> > Hmmm.....> >> > Let's see: 70000 
hrs in 10 years works out> > to 19 hours per day, every day.> >> > I hope he's 
a better pilot than mathematician.> >> > Hans.> >> > 2009/2/13 clyde romero 
<clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net>:> >> Its total Bullshit> >> This guys 
doesn't know his ass from 3rd base.> >> The Airbus has a cable rudder and has 
never experienced a triple failure> > of> >> its flight computers> >> I have 
been an airbus pilot since 1999 with over 70000hrs of> > 319,320,321,330> >> 
time.> >> It's the safest airplane flying> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Clyde> >>> >> 
Capt. Clyde Romero Jr.> >> Manpad SME> >> Clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net> >> 
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>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -----Original Message-----> >> From: Rich 
[mailto:Rich355 [at] comcast.net]> >> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 4:10 PM> 
>> To: clyde> >> Cc: The FerrariList> >> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Fwd: Airbus 
.... more bad news> >>> >>> >> ----- Original Message -----> >> From: "Doug and 
Terri Anderson" <dnt [at] dock.net>> >> To: "Rich" <rich355 [at] comcast.net>> 
>> Cc: "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>> >> Sent: Friday, 
February 13, 2009 4:02 PM> >> Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Fwd: Airbus .... more bad 
news> >>> >>> >>> Any guesses what the culprit was on last nights event? Tail 
lock up?> >>> DOUG> >>> ===============> >>> >> So far it has all the same 
indications as that 1994 ATR 72 crash in> > Indiana> >> of loss of control over 
ice perhaps. Planes slow down on final and have> > less> >>> >> airspeed margin 
to overcome any slight ice accumulation on lift surfaces.> >> One wing can 
stall before the other leading to a spin entry and vertical> >> dive like last 
night. If i had to bet my 401 k on it now, i would lean to> >> that cause.> >> 
Rich> >>> >>> ----- Original Message -----> >>> From: <Red5hilser [at] 
aol.com>> >>> To: "DOUG" <dnt [at] dock.net>> >>> Cc: "The FerrariList" 
<ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>> >>> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 12:50 PM> 
>>> Subject: [Ferrari] Fwd: Airbus .... more bad news> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hey 
Capt'n cLyDe: So . . . what's yer opinion on this. Sully did an> >>>> 
outstanding piece of flying to get everybody home safe and sound, IMHO.> >>>> 
It's not> >>>> about him, but the Airbus instead.> >>>>> >>>> Yer pal, Ferrari 
Bubba> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>From a friend of a friend.....> >>>>> >>>>> >>> > 
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>>>>> >>>> Might find this interesting about the Airbus crash. Got this 
forwarded> >>>> from> >>>> a friend who has been a lifelong pilot and aviation 
buff, and obviously> >>>> he> >>>> got from some of his aircraft friends. I've 
heard others complain> > about> >>>> "fly> >>>> by wire" and "computer 
controlled airplanes"............another> >>>> perspective.> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 
>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 
>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 
>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> EVERYONE: Eric is a retired US Air 
pilot and a judge at OSH each> >>>> yr..and> >>>> a> >>>> close friend.> >>>>> 
>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Interesting what he thinks of Air Bus??? I 
had asked him if he knew the> >>>> pilot Sully .. Crash> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 
>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> 
____________________________________> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Hello 
Crash:> >>>>> >>>> Actually it's Hudson river fame. I didn't know him. I've 
seen him in> >>>> the> >>>> crew room and around the system but never met him. 
He was former PSA> >>>> and> >>>> I> >>>> was former Piedmont and we never had 
the occasion to fly together.> >>>>> >>>> The dumb shit press just won't leave 
this alone. Most airliner> >>>> ditchings> >>>> aren't very successful since 
they take place on the open ocean with> >>>> wind,> >>>> rough seas, swells and 
rescue boats are hours or days away. This one> >>>> happened in> >>>> fresh 
smooth water, landing with the current and the rescue boats were> >>>> there> 
>>>> picking people up while they were still climbing out of the airplane.> 
>>>> It> >>>> also happened on a cold winter day when all the pleasure boats 
were> >>>> parked.> >>>> Had this happened in July it would be pretty hard not 
to whack a couple> >>>> of> >>>> little boats. Sully did a nice job but so 
would 95% of the other> > pilots> >>>> in the> >>>> industry.> >>>>> >>>> Don't 
be surprised if the Airbus fly by wire computers didn't put a> >>>> perfectly 
good airplane in the water. In a older generation airplane> >>>> like the 727> 
>>>> or 737 300/400 the throttles are hooked to the fuel controllers on the> 
>>>> engine by a steel throttle cable just like a TBM or a Comanche. On the> 
>>>> Airbus> >>>> nothing in the cockpit is real. Everything is electronic. 
The> >>>> throttles,> >>>> rudder and brake pedals and the side stick are 
hooked to rheostats who> >>>> talk to> >>>> a computer who talks to a electric 
hydraulic servo valve which in turn> >>>> hopefully moves something.> >>>>> 
>>>> In a older generation airplane when you hit birds the engines keep> >>>> 
screaming> >>>> or they blow up but they don't both roll back to idle 
simultaneously> >>>> like> >>>> happened to Flt. 1549. All it would take is for 
bird guts to plug a> >>>> pressure> >>>> sensor or knock the pitot probe off or 
plug it and the computers would> >>>> roll> >>>> the engines back to idle 
thinking they were over boosting because the> >>>> computers were getting bad 
data. The Airbus is a real pile of shit.> >>>> I> >>>> don't like> >>>> riding 
on them.> >>>>> >>>> Google Airbus A320 Crash at the Paris Airshow in 1998. 
Watch the> > video> >>>> of> >>>> an airbus A320 crash into a forest because 
the computers wouldn't allow> >>>> a> >>>> power increase following a low pass. 
The computers wouldn't allow a> >>>> power> >>>> increase because they 
determined that the airspeed was too low for the> >>>> increase> >>>> requested 
so the computers didn't give them any. Pushing the throttles> >>>> forward in a 
Airbus does nothing more than request a power increase> > from> >>>> the> >>>> 
computer. If the computer doesn't like all the airplane and engine> >>>> 
parameters you> >>>> don't get a power increase. Airbus blamed the dead crew 
since they> >>>> couldn't defend themselves. A Boeing would still be flying.> 
>>>>> >>>> Eric> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 
>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 
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