Re: New Alfa
From: philville dejazzd.com (philvilledejazzd.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 14:37:47 -0800 (PST)
   Hmmmm, as I recall, the GT 4 came first (Lotus)
   ----- Original Message -----
   From: TheMightyToe <themightytoe [at] gmail.com>
   Date: Monday, December 7, 2009 4:06 pm
   Subject: Re: [Ferrari] New Alfa
   To: philville [at] dejazzd.com
   Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
   > See I still just do not get it.  The classic V12 cars from
   > Ferrari, sure
   > I get those, and absolutely they have some beauties.
   >
   > But the 550?  (or even the 456), while nice looking, are
   > nice looking in
   > the same way that a 4th gen Corvette, or a Nissan 300ZX are nice
   > looking
   > to me at least.
   >
   > I consider those two cars low points on the style meter from
   > Ferrari,
   > even the 308GT4's with their attempts to be Lotus Esprits are
   > better
   > looking and more timeless overall.
   >
   > JMHO...
   >
   > philville dejazzd.com wrote:
   > >    What I tried to say ( but came up blank),
   > >    Is that yes, the Alfa is a gorgeous car,
   > and, I surely would not mind
   > >    having one, but the Marranello that is
   > parked next to it is probably
   > >    all the car any one of us needs (ever)
   > >    Not only is it gorgeous, but it speaks to me
   > as only a front engined V
   > >    12 Ferrari can.
   > >    If you look at it long enough you can see 50
   > years of Pinin Farina
   > >    styling, and when you drive it, it is all Ferrari.
   > >    The Dino isn't bad either.
   > >
   > >    Thanks Gary for the post.
   > >    Phil
   > >    ----- Original Message -----
   > >    From: Gary Reed <gary [at] garyreedsales.com>
   > >    Date: Monday, December 7, 2009 1:35 pm
   > >    Subject: Re: [Ferrari] New Alfa
   > >    To: Phil Tegtmeier <philville [at] dejazzd.com>
   > >    Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
   > >    > I beg to differ.
   > >    >
   > >    > I've seen four different ones in person
   > and I think they are
   > >    > absolutely gorgeous!  Total sex on wheels.
   > >    >
   > >    > Here's some shots of my 550 and a 246 Dino
   > next to a friend's
   > >    > red 8C.
   > >    >
   > >    > The exhaust sounds that they make are
   > incredible too.
   > >    >
   > >    >
   > >
   >
   http://picasaweb.google.com/gary.seattle/Alfa8C?authkey=Gv1sRgCJmf0bDP
   >    pJ_0ygE&feat=directlink
   > >    >
   > >    >
   > >    > Gary
   > >    >
   > >    >   ----- Original Message -----
   > >    >   From: LarryT
   > >    >   To: Gary Reed
   > >    >   Cc: The FerrariList
   > >    >   Sent: Monday, December 07,
   > 2009 5:20 AM
   > >    >   Subject: Re: [Ferrari] New Alfa
   > >    >
   > >    >
   > >    >   I guess it's one of those cars
   > that look better in photos
   > >    > than in person....
   > >    >
   > >    >   OilAnalysis Time?
   > >    >   Looking for Weber Parts or
   > Porsche Posters?
   > >    >   www.youroil.net
   > >    >
   > >    >
   > >    >
   > >    >   -------------------------------
   > -------------------
   > >    >   From: "Larry B"
   > <larrybard [at] hotmail.com>>    >
   > Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2009 4:18 PM
   > >    >   To: "Larry Turner"
   > <l02turner [at] comcast.net>>    >   Cc:
   > "The FerrariList" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
   > >    >   Subject: Re: [Ferrari] New Alfa
   > >    >
   > >    >   >
   > >    >   > There was one on the
   > showroom floor at Algar (along
   > >    > with a McLaren);
   > >    >   > didn't care much for the
   > looks.  Liked the F430
   > >    > Scuderia nearby a lot
   > >    >   > more.
   > >    >   >
   > >    >   >> From: l02turner [at] comcast.net
   > >    >   >> Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2009
   > 19:59:17 -0500
   > >    >   >> Subject: [Ferrari] New Alfa
   > >    >   >> CC: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
   > >    >   >> To: larrybard [at] hotmail.com
   > >    >   >>
   > >    >   >> The newest Motorweek this
   > morning had a brief segment
   > >    > about the Alfa
   > >    >   >> Romeo
   > >    >   >> 8C Competizione  - an
   > incredibly beautiful
   > >    > machine!  There were only 100
   > >    >   >> sent to USA and all have
   > been sold (~$280k) with a
   > >    > fair amount going to
   > >    >   >> the
   > >    >   >> rest of the world - IIRC
   > 250 was total
   > >    > production.  Powered by a 4.8L V8
   > >    >   >> pulling a ~2000# car the
   > performance must be as
   > >    > spectacular as the looks.
   > >    >   >>
   > >    >   >> According to Wiki it's
   > based on a 2003 show car.
   > >    >   >>
   > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfa_Romeo_8C_Competizione>    >   >>
   > >    >   >>
   > >    >   >> OilAnalysis Time?
   > >    >   >> Looking for Weber Parts or
   > Porsche Posters?
   > >    >   >> www.youroil.net
   > >    >   >>
   > >    >   >>
   > >    >   >>
   > >    >   >> ----------------------------
   > ----------------------
   > >    >   >> From: "clyde romero"
   > <clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net>>
   > >   >> Sent: Saturday, December 05, 2009 4:12 PM
   > >    >   >> To: "Larry Turner"
   > <l02turner [at] comcast.net>>    >   >>
   > Cc: "'The FerrariList'" <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
   > >    >   >> Subject: Re: [Ferrari]
   > Oxygen Sensors - was 512TR
   > >    > service bufu
   > >    >   >>
   > >    >   >> > Actuall that's BS because
   > it is done all the time
   > >    >   >> >
   > >    >   >> >
   > >    >   >> >
   > >    >   >> > Clyde
   > >    >   >> >
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   > >    >   >> > -----Original Message-----
   > >    >   >> > From: Doug and Terri
   > Anderson [mailto:dnt [at] dock.net]
   > >    >   >> > Sent: Thursday, December
   > 03, 2009 11:46 PM
   > >    >   >> > To:
   > clyderomero [at] worldnet.att.net>    >   >>
   > > Cc: The FerrariList
   > >    >   >> > Subject: Re: [Ferrari]
   > Oxygen Sensors - was 512TR
   > >    > service bufu
   > >    >   >> >
   > >    >   >> > >>The ClyDe suggests
   > "Just buy cut and splice"
   > >    >   >> >
   > >    >   >> > Cut and splice? AYIEEeeeeee
   > >    >   >> > May work for a 1980
   > application and a first time
   > >    > three way cat - -
   > >    >   >> > BUT the newer
   > applications are quite complex and
   > >    > quite sensitive.
   > >    >   >> > Why not cut a late OBD I
   > sensor wire and splice?
   > >    >   >> > Well- it may change the
   > O2 to ECU signal.
   > >    >   >> > Secondly, to operate
   > effectively, the O2 gizmo
   > >    > requires a reference O2
   > >    >   >> > source.
   > >    >   >> > Some cheap O2 sensors
   > just use a hole in the case
   > >    > and Voila - there you
   > >    >   >> > are.
   > >    >   >> > Others, get this,
   > actually run a hollow tube on the
   > >    > outside of one of
   > >    >   >> > the
   > >    >   >> > wires into the passenger
   > cab to insure
   > >    > uncontaminated HC O2.
   > >    >   >> > Cut that - pooooof - yer
   > back to square one.
   > >    >   >> > The four wire O2 for the
   > 512 TR is an intricate part
   > >    > of a moderately
   > >    >   >> > complicated set of engine
   > commands.>    >   >> > Bottom line -
   > Get it from Ferrari and rest assured
   > >    > if you have other
   > >    >   >> > problems it aint that O2.
   > >    >   >> > Doug's axiom - if it is
   > emissions related - get it
   > >    > from the factory.
   > >    >   >> > Sometimes the cheapest
   > way to go is the most
   > >    > expensive - in dollars and
   > >    >   >> > sense. heh heh
   > >    >   >> > I could be wrong -
   > >    >   >> > Onward
   > >    >   >> > DOUG
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