Re: A reason for a 328
From: LarryT (l02turnercomcast.net)
Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 18:38:53 -0700 (PDT)
Great story Doug!  BTW, I was living in NJ during that time and used to drive out of my way to pick up one of those magazines! 
 
LarryT

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Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 3:14 AM
To: LarryT
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] A reason for a 328

Yeah Larry - quite a bit of power - on TAP, so to speak.
At the time, in the 80's, there was a race to race magazine printed in the UK I believe simply titled Formula One.  Immense coverage of just one race.  Tons of color pictures.  As the teams got smarter and bolder they started to water cool the intercooler by spraying water externally on the radiator. 
 
So picture this.  In one issue there is a photo display of the qualifying car set ups.  On the BMW engined cars - there was a display of pictures showing the external little pipe with drillings to spray water on the intercooler - - - no, wait there are TWO little pipes. one under the other - wot th?  Where did that other pipe lead to?  To the halon fire extinguisher bottle ???  WHY Halon?  The Turbo air intake is just behind the intercooler radiator - - - - ohhHHHHHhhoooooo.  THAT'S NOT HAYLON IN THAT BOTTLE - - - - it's NO2!!! ??  Before anyone could really really check it out - the second pipe disappeared.  What pipes?  You nuts?  Here - look for your self.
heh heh
DOUG
   
----- Original Message -----
From: LarryT
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 7:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] A reason for a 328

BMW F-1 had the famous "Grenade" qualifying engines back in the 80's - good for 3-5 laps then Kaboom!
 
Its still hard for me to comprehend so much power from something with the volume of a 2L Coke bottle! 
 
LarryT

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Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 2:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] A reason for a 328

Ah hah - right on Ed.  Ergo supercharging.  Our little twin turbocharged V-6 TAG Turbo F1 engine - all 1500 cc's of it, allegedly put out 1100 hp at about 12,000 rpm.  To hold this bomb together the engine block has the standard 8 long studs that go through the head BUT the heads ALSO have 6 studs each that go though the block!  Also, each intake and exhaust port has 4 studs each to hold the each intake and exhaust manifolds to the head.  THen the bottom end is held together with a separate casting which looks like a sump - but its the girdle for the mains and there are about 18 - 8 mm studs for that.  Ayep - tight tight tight.
DOUG
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From: E M
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] A reason for a 328

More air really is the tricky bit with motors, isn't it.  The other bits, more fuel, better spark, etc are easy peasy by comparison.  Mind you, once you get enough air into the motor, keeping the heads on, and not blowing the bottom out of the case provide their own challenges too. hee hee

Ed
911SC

On 4 June 2010 13:35, Doug and Terri Anderson <dnt [at] dock.net> wrote:
Hmmmm - HP is equal to Torque x RPM divided by 5252.  So either the breathing efficiency is improved to improve torque or the RPM was increased.  If the motor becomes a better air pump - RPM may not need to increase - tho it could - that much to get more HP. 
I dunno, I could be wrong.
DOUG
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To: DOUG
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] A reason for a 328

here are the before dyno results
 
100% stock
 
211.0 RWHP, 185.8 ft/lbs peak with STOCK EXHAUST AND CATS
 
 
so a 25%  increase should yield   263.7 RWHP 232.2 ft/lbs peak
 
I would be very happy with this. 
 
 
 
Wade
----- Original Message -----
To: Wade
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] A reason for a 328

Yes, I'd love to see that, too.

But having said that, 270HP * 1,25 = 337,5HP
That's about the power of a 348 GTB (320HP) , and that car costs about the same as a 328 ...

Rui



On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 5:52 PM, LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com> wrote:
25% peak?

That would be amazing...please keep us updated on this project. I'd love to see before and after dyno numbers.

Thanks,
LS



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