Ferrari Mailing List: Re: High Capacity Magazine Firearms

[Dave Handa (dave]

Actually any qualified SWAT officer should be well trained in one handed
malfunction drills.  BUT, they may wish to go to the back up handgun because
it is FASTER than doing the clearance drills one handed, not because they
are incapable of performing them.

QUOTE:
"But, once again to get back to the crux of the matter, most of us are  
generally civilians who carry a firearm for personal protection and should
not  
expect to be "duty bound" to face down armed adversaries. Your best backup
weapon 
is your cell phone, and your best tactic is to retreat whenever possible  to

a safer location."


This is good advice, and my recommendation as well, though I would consider
the cell phone to by my PRIMARY self-defense weapon, not a back up.  Calling
911 and being a good witness is most often the best course of action.
Avoidance should also be considered. Retreating is warranted, as long as it
does not make you more vulnerable or weaken your defense to do so.  But we
are talking about many possible scenarios, the above implies say, walking
into the bank as an armed robber goes down, and what obligation you have to
do something (you don't have to do a thing, and in fact I would turn around
and walk or run right out).  But what about the mugger that sticks a knife
in your face, or that of a loved one? Now YOU are in a lethal force
situation, and must deal with it.

Getting some quality training is always a good thing to consider,
particularly in unarmed self-defense and pepperspray.  If the only
option/training you have in your personal "tool box" is the gun, then pretty
much all your solutions will probably include a gun...for better or worse.

Dave


-----Original Message-----
From: BRIGANDBAR [at] aol.com [mailto:BRIGANDBAR [at] aol.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 19, 2006 1:47 PM
To: dave [at] davehanda.com
Cc: ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] High Capacity Magazine Firearms

 
In a message dated 9/19/2006 2:17:27 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
charles [at] carolina-sound.com writes:

is there  any research to indicate having a backup for purposes other than 
something  else to fire after your primary weapon is empty is  worthwhile?



Charles:
 
Not for civilians that I know of. If you are venturing into "Indian
Country" 
or anticipating "hostile action" I would suggest you bring along an  AR-10 
with a 16" bbl. and several 30 rd. magazines. That is what I carry when I
do 
some hard core 4x4 back country exploring, but mostly because something like
a 
mountain lion or a bear might be offended by my presence and not allow me to

do what I would do first in any case, leave him, and his home undisturbed.
My  
grandson has just reminded me that the Lone Ranger carries two guns, and I 
guess  he is technically a civilian, so I guess he could be the exception
that 
proves  the rule. Other than that, one handgun is fine for me (but I'm too 
cheap for  silver bullets <g>)
 
Professionally, the reason for a (revolver) backup in tac ops is if you are

injured in your hand and/or arm and cannot clear a malfunction or reload
your 
pistol or other automatic or semi-automatic firearm, to ensure that you
have 
access to a working firearm. Additionally, in a tac ops situation should
you 
drop your primary firearm or otherwise become disarmed you have access to a

weapon to continue to fight.
 
I can tell you, as an experienced Crisis and Hostage Negotiator, that it is

highly unlikely that you will access your backup firearm if you are being
held 
 hostage, and that a futile attempt to do so will endanger not only
yourself, 
but  any other hostages as well. Most agencies, military and Federal
civilian 
have  strict rules against surrendering your weapon under any circumstances 
except  when disabled and thus unable to prevent it being taken away from
you.  
Personally, I can think of no circumstance that I would be better off giving

up  my firearm to a third party than I would be resisting surrendering it to

the  best of my ability.
 
But, once again to get back to the crux of the matter, most of us are  
generally civilians who carry a firearm for personal protection and should
not  
expect to be "duty bound" to face down armed adversaries. Your best backup
weapon 
is your cell phone, and your best tactic is to retreat whenever possible  to

a safer location. I no longer live my life in the "Red Zone", do well to  
function in the "Yellow Zone" except under certain circumstances and relax
in  the 
"Green" or "White" zones. Even when working I cannot remember needing  
additional armament for personal protection.
 
I'm looking forward to the examples that Brian will provide as to when a  
backup firearm might be required. I may reevaluate my position should he  
recognize some circumstance that I have missed, or we may simply agree to
disagree.
 
Of course, if you lose control of the situation your backup firearm may be  
useful to your adversary.
 
Dr. Steve
 
Dr. Steve  

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