Ferrari Mailing List: Re: BMW Mods/Forced Induction/Modern V8s...Re: Ferrari Digest, Vol ...

[LS (lashdeep]

I agree on your handling point. I think the disparity comes in when the 
magazines hire real racers to come in and differentiate to the last percentage 
point. "In quick transitions over 150mph followed by threshold braking....the 
M5 is a smidge better than the Caddie." "Over bumps, around a wet corner 
between 140-155mph, the M5 is a hair better, depending on your driving style 
than the CTS-V". I've seen that kind of  argument...are F List chimps going to 
feel the difference? 

And, you're right, you can turbo or supercharge anything. 750 in a CTS does 
sound great...and Mallett offers the blower kit. But...with 525rwhp and 20 mpg, 
you already have the power and the economy. You're already starting with a much 
more sophisticated powerplant with less complexity, stress and engine temps.

I loved the 4.0 V8 in my 540i. 282bhp, smooth as silk and a lot of fun. But, 
why did it have less torque, less top end,  less economy, and more complexity 
than a 4.6 DOHC Ford? There was barely any noticeable difference in 
smoothness...interesting that both engines were offered in the De Tomaso Guara. 

LS




 
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Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 12:34:37 PM
Subject: Re: BMW Mods/Forced Induction/Modern V8s...Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari 
Digest, Vol ...


I whole heartedly agree with American Iron being superior in performance in a 
straight line.  I LOVE the CTS-V and SRT-8's, but luxury is not the same.  I 
couldn't believe it when one of my friends with a CTS-V found the Caddy not 
luxurious enough!  Surprised the heck out of me.  I thought they were fine and 
actually envious.  He is looking to trade the car in for an Audi A8L.  I guess 
he doesn't care about reliability.  Performance and luxury in one car that is 
somewhat affordable is not a priority for him.  He is going to get another 
Vette Z (old one replaced with CTS-V) to satisfy the speed need and get a 
"nicer" luxury car for clients (real estate agent).
 
In a message dated 12/29/2006 11:02:41 A.M. Central Standard Time, lashdeep 
[at] yahoo.com writes:
I wish you guys were in DC right now...this Mallet Caddie CTS will tow a 740 
faster than a 750 will run unladen.

Interestingly, two recent E39 M5 owners have traded up to stock CTS-Vs for more 
electrical reliability, better fuel economy and cheaper maintenance...all with 
the same level of performance.
 
I thought the CTS-V was faster?  I know if they don't handle as well but that's 
only at the limits which most drivers never reach anyway. BMW M Car and 
reliability usually can only be used in the same sentence negatively lately.


525 RWHP and 20mpg. GM engine mgmt is pretty impressive nowadays. Have modern, 
alloy V8s rendered forced induction obsolete? Is turbocharging the old school 
method for making an engine both efficient and powerful?
No, you can turbocharge the newer motors for even higher levels of performance! 
 Can you say 750 HP plus Caddy?


Z06: 26mpg, 3100lbs, 505bhp
S2000: 28mpg, 2850lbs, 240 bhp
 
Buddy's stock S2000 spanked my 740iL all over the powerband and I have a 
quicker than stock gear!  I 
NEED a V12...


Why is an LS1 powered 3rd Gen RX7, lighter, more powerful and more fuel 
efficient than a twin turbo 13B rotary powered RX7?

Was the opening scene of Apocalypse Now really the destruction of the Kurtz 
compound?

Who has answers?
 
Women, but they are too smart to come down to our level (according to my 
girlfriend)!
 
Rodney


LS

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From: "LtWacko [at] aol.com" <LtWacko [at] aol.com>
To: LS <lashdeep [at] yahoo.com>
Cc: The FerrariList <ferrari [at] ferrarilist.com>
Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 11:37:00 AM
Subject: Re: [Ferrari] Ferrari Digest, Vol 5, Issue 51


In a message dated 12/29/2006 8:03:11 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
ferrari-request [at] ferrarilist.com writes:

5. The  750 V12 has 296 HP. The stock 540i V8 has 282 and my El Tweako   
factory setup 290: 2% less power than the V12 and way less mass. The   
V8 likes revs and will imitate a V12 just fine at 3500 - 5500 RPM.   
Rev limiter is about 5300 in 1st, 6300 after that. I suspect Koala   
installs the manual EPROMs.


HP doesn't tell the whole story.  Power curve baby!  750 will  walk a 740 all 
day long from 50 MPH to limiter.  You will actually outdrag  a 750 with a 740 
off the line in distance.  To 60 MPH in time is close, but  that is because 
the 750 is charging hard catching the 740 then blowing by it as  if the guy in 
the 740 threw out an anchor.  Yes, this is based on multiple  ACTUAL runs side 
by side.  No magazine performance comparisons of  numbers.  NO barstool 
racing.  You will feel like a little girl  when you play with the big boys at 
80MPH 
plus.  I can't believe how long I  have to wait to get to 130 MPH in my 740iL 
and yes, I do this on a weekly  basis so I need it!  I was disappointed from 
day one.  All I could  afford at the time was a 740 and it had to be a steal 
at that and my 750 started getting some miles on it and serious repair bills. 
If you can find  a quicker diff cheap and you don't mind the lower HWY MPG, 
it's well worth the  grin factor.

It's like the old S-Class argument between the S420 and the S500.   S420 
owners wish they had the S500 and S500 owners never looked back on the  extra 
money they spent.

Ain't no replacement for displacement!  

Rodney
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